Old school, or, that's what you get for liking morally ambiguous characters.

[sparklebutch]

[Poll #1135675]

Comments

[shrift.livejournal.com]

Like most things, I guess it depends upon the situation and if both participants are affected by the spell/pollen. In my last story, I tried to make it free of skanky consent issues as possible, although I probably didn't succeed. *shrug*

[keerawa.livejournal.com]

Then again, I also think getting someone drunk or high so that they'll agree to sex is rape. Very turned on so that they agree is sort of a grey area, but probably also rape.

[calime]

Depends a bit on the intent behind and the circumstances, but, yeah, in a sense of 'making someone to do something one did not consent to' - I'd say either coercion or rape. Does not really mean you cannot write it in a crack-y way and ignore the implications, but if one does think of the implications, then non-consensual=non-consensual, no matter whether coercion is by magic, pollen, threats, lies, alcohol...

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Can I have a sixth category? "It depends on the spell and the circumstances"?

(And why am I reminded of the Viagra spam in my mailbox?)

[beccaelizabeth]

I think the cultural tendency to treat sex sprays / spells / pollen as all LOL, to be all geek trio with their mind control toy, is a big part of why the RL stuff happens. Not setting out to be evil, having a big gap around it actually being bad. So any individual story might just be being funny, but the way they add up turns into badness.

But thanks to Torchwood I've thought about this and seen it argued a whole hell of a lot lately, so.

[calime]

And, re: liking morally ambiguous characters. I love morally ambiguous characters. Precisely because they are morally ambiguous. Because they not only do things someone else would believe to be immoral, they frequently do stuff they'd themselves would perhaps agree is immoral/unethical. But it may be pragmatically necessary, or just plain fun. The ones that do all this with their eyes open are the ones I like. Who have the balls to say that yes, this is immoral, and i still do it, because I've decided for reasons of my own to do it, and I do not whitewash nor apologise, but do and take the consequences.

[ceruleancat.livejournal.com]

The troika with what's his name's ex girlfriend. That was magic, wasn't it?

[babydraco.livejournal.com]

Could always have one person sort of agreeing to be put under the spell. Going into it vaguely aware that they're going to be impaired and wanting to take the risk.